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cupwonder3-sZYbRm74+
2009-10-07 12:35:45 UTC
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Has anyone read this book? Reactions? It seems to be causing a stir in the library community right now...

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Lust, Peter
2009-10-07 17:52:09 UTC
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Is this the book upon which the movie by this name is based, the one that takes place on Mars and involves Arnold, the "California Governator?" Truly, I have seen that movie more than once and I like this movie. Truly, I am puzzled as to why this would be causing a stir; maybe because it does involve "playing" with the mind and can be considered violent in some parts of the movie.

Peter S. Lust
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Has anyone read this book? Reactions? It seems to be causing a stir in the library community right now...

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MULLEN Allen
2009-10-07 18:01:25 UTC
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Total Recall: How the E-Memory Revolution Will Change Everything (Hardcover) by Gordon Bell

http://bit.ly/4k42Tu

" What if you could remember everything? Soon, if you choose, you will be able to conveniently and affordably record your whole life in minute detail. You would have Total Recall. Authors Gordon Bell and Jim Gemmell draw on experience from their MyLifeBits project at Microsoft Research to explain the benefits to come from an earth-shaking and inevitable increase in electronic memories."

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Is this the book upon which the movie by this name is based, the one that takes place on Mars and involves Arnold, the "California Governator?" Truly, I have seen that movie more than once and I like this movie. Truly, I am puzzled as to why this would be causing a stir; maybe because it does involve "playing" with the mind and can be considered violent in some parts of the movie.

Peter S. Lust


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Sandra DeSio
2009-10-07 18:48:38 UTC
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Just in case I ever need to know what color socks I was wearing on Jan. 22, 1974? There's a reason humans don't remember everything--not everything is memorable. If we needed memories that worked in that detail, we'd be evolving to have them.


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>>> MULLEN Allen <Allen.MULLEN-8LNN065Egc0tcMCS/***@public.gmane.org> 10/7/2009 1:01 PM >>>
Total Recall: How the E-Memory Revolution Will Change Everything (Hardcover) by Gordon Bell

http://bit.ly/4k42Tu

"What if you could remember everything? Soon, if you choose, you will be able to conveniently and affordably record your whole life in minute detail."

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Scott Piepenburg
2009-10-07 18:57:23 UTC
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Hari Seldon, the founder of psychohistory, postulated that we
would/could/should forget some information since it could always be
"relearned" or "rediscovered" because it was so common. I'm sorry, I
don't know the exact citation in the Encyclopedia Galactica.

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>>> Sandra DeSio <SDeSio-G8zV44/***@public.gmane.org> 10/7/2009 1:48 PM >>>
Just in case I ever need to know what color socks I was wearing on Jan.
22, 1974? There's a reason humans don't remember everything--not
everything is memorable. If we needed memories that worked in that
detail, we'd be evolving to have them.


Sandra M. DeSio -- Cataloger
Indian Trails Public Library District
355 S. Schoenbeck Rd.
Wheeling, IL 60090
847-279-2210
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"One day I shall burst my bud of calm and blossom forth into hysteria."
-- Christopher Fry (The Lady's Not For Burning)

>>> MULLEN Allen <Allen.MULLEN-8LNN065Egc0tcMCS/***@public.gmane.org> 10/7/2009 1:01 PM >>>
Total Recall: How the E-Memory Revolution Will Change Everything
(Hardcover) by Gordon Bell

http://bit.ly/4k42Tu

"What if you could remember everything? Soon, if you choose, you will
be able to conveniently and affordably record your whole life in minute
detail."

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Pochi, Alan
2009-10-07 19:04:56 UTC
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Well, there is someone who basically does remember everything that has
occurred in her life--her name is Jill Price, and her memoir, The woman
who can't forget, points out how problematic it is...


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Just in case I ever need to know what color socks I was wearing on Jan.
22, 1974? There's a reason humans don't remember everything--not
everything is memorable. If we needed memories that worked in that
detail, we'd be evolving to have them.


Sandra M. DeSio -- Cataloger
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MULLEN Allen
2009-10-07 19:08:01 UTC
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Just to clarify - I'm not advocating the ideas in the Gordon Bell's Total Recall.  I haven't even read it (yet) though I plan to.  Just sharing information for curious minds that want to know.

In a sense, we *are* evolving to remember everything, at least what we wish to.  We're doing this symbiotically with technology facilitated by computers and mobile devices.  Others are "remembering" things about us that we may or may not wish them to.  Whether we find the details of our lives to be memorable or not, I suspect industries will be continue to be created to support both personal and data mining uses of the exploding amount of digital information that exists about most of us, including metadata records of various sorts (talk about FRBR opportunities!)

I'm sure there is some great science fiction that treats this topic, perhaps even by Phillip Dick.
Allen Mullen
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Sandra DeSio
2009-10-07 19:43:49 UTC
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I don't consider recording information "offsite" (the "site" being the human brain) for future reference to be the same thing as remembering. But, yes, humans have been evolving better and more efficient methods of information storage since our ancestors first drew on a cave wall.

I'm sure it will be a historical boon for anthropologists and sociologists in the future who really do want to know what color my socks are, but even without this obsessive data storage, we already have the expression 'TMI'--Too Much Information. I'm sure there are people who will be all over this, but I have no desire to lovingly record every time I floss my teeth.


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In a sense, we *are* evolving to remember everything, at least what we wish to. We're doing this symbiotically with technology facilitated by computers and mobile devices.

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Esther Mandel
2009-10-07 21:18:28 UTC
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Sandra DeSio said: " I'm sure it will be a historical boon for anthropologists and sociologists in the future who really do want to know what color my socks are, but even =
without this obsessive data storage, we already have the expression 'TMI'--Too Much Information."

My concerns are a little different. I'm sure that if this became practicable, I would surrender the necessity to ever remember anything myself to my handy-dandy portable memory technology, following promptly on which one of three things would happen: 1. The memory storage, whatever it was, would become fried and everything would be gone; 2. My memory would be attacked by a virus, worm, etc., resulting in a memory resembling the doctor's bill my cats modified for me recently-- partially digested, and the remainder chewed, soggy, hairballed, and punched full of cute little holes; or 3. I'd forget my password. Due to such technology as writing and reading, people's memories are not what they once were (or maybe it's the multi-dimensional expansion of things we have to remember), but I don't want to lose any more than advancing age requires.

Esther Mandel
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Sarasota County Public Libraries
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Mike Tribby
2009-10-07 21:30:44 UTC
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>I would surrender the necessity to ever remember anything myself to my handy-dandy portable memory technology, following promptly on which one of three things would happen: ... I'd forget my password.

Not to worry Esther! By then we'll either have voice-recognition, face-recognition, or fingerprint-recognition software to take care of that possibility. Not to mention the chip behind your ear that will enable so many wonderful and only slightly intrusive data collection and dissemination enhancements!


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cupwonder3-sZYbRm74+
2009-10-08 16:01:32 UTC
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Ah, the wonders of technology...



Julie Hankinson

Assistant Librarian/Cataloger

Benjamin Franklin Institute of Technology


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>I would surrender the necessity to ever remember anything myself to my
handy-dandy portable memory technology, following promptly on which one of three
things would happen: ... I'd forget my password.

Not to worry Esther! By then we'll either have voice-recognition,
face-recognition, or fingerprint-recognition software to take care of that
possibility. Not to mention the chip behind your ear that will enable so many
wonderful and only slightly intrusive data collection and dissemination
enhancements!


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The Best of America's Independent Presses

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Guinn, Suzanne
2009-10-07 22:13:58 UTC
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Re: "Due to such technology as writing and reading, people's memories
are not what they once were..."

Funny you should say that, as that has been the comment or thought
"forever" as technology developed - even the development of a written
language and the printing press. When histories and stories were
memorized and passed down from generation to generation, much more of
the brain was used. As these technologies have been developed, less
brain and less memory is required. I can't cite this for you, but it is
something I picked up while in grad. school.

So that's an interesting observation.

Suzanne Guinn
Cataloger
Rogers (AR) Public Library


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Sandra DeSio said: " I'm sure it will be a historical boon for
anthropologists and sociologists in the future who really do want to
know what color my socks are, but even =
without this obsessive data storage, we already have the expression
'TMI'--Too Much Information."

My concerns are a little different. I'm sure that if this became
practicable, I would surrender the necessity to ever remember anything
myself to my handy-dandy portable memory technology, following promptly
on which one of three things would happen: 1. The memory storage,
whatever it was, would become fried and everything would be gone; 2. My
memory would be attacked by a virus, worm, etc., resulting in a memory
resembling the doctor's bill my cats modified for me recently--
partially digested, and the remainder chewed, soggy, hairballed, and
punched full of cute little holes; or 3. I'd forget my password. Due
to such technology as writing and reading, people's memories are not
what they once were (or maybe it's the multi-dimensional expansion of
things we have to remember), but I don't want to lose any more than
advancing age requires.

Esther Mandel
Cataloger
Sarasota County Public Libraries
Sarasota, Florida, USA
emandel-***@public.gmane.org

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Dana Pearson
2009-10-08 01:34:54 UTC
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Fun thread.

I once typed out the following in response to a question on a reference list
nearly twenty years ago as a graduate student...the other respondent got it
from LexisNexis (not the quote, the answer). Anywho, from the pages of the
book I pulled from my bookshelves then (I type in full just for the sheer
pleasure), it begins:

"The story is that in the region of Naucratis in Egypt...the god...Theuth...
invented number and calculation, geometry and astronomy, not to speak of
draughts and dice, and above all writing."

When Theuth said to the king of Egypt that these arts ought to be passed on
the Egyptians, the king asked what use they had to which Theuth answered as
to not only their good points but bad as well. But when he came to writing,
Theuth said to the king, "Here O king, is a branch of learning that will
make the people of Egypt wiser and improve their memories; my discovery
provides a recipe for memory and wisdom."

To which the king replied (no nitwit himself): "O man full of arts, to one
it is given to create the things of art, to another to judge what measure of
harm and of profit they have for those that employ them.

"And so it is that you, by reason of your tender regard for the writing that
is your offspring, have declared the very opposite of its true effect. If
men learn this, it will implant forgetfulness in their souls; they will
cease to exercise memory because they rely on that which is written, calling
things to remembrance no longer from within themselves, but by means of
external marks.

"What you have discovered is a recipe not for memory, but for reminder. And
it is no true wisdom that you offer your disciples, but only its semblance,
for by telling them of many things without teaching them you will make them
seem to know much, while for the most part they know nothing, and as men
filled, not with wisdom, but with the conceit of wisdom, they will be a
burden to their fellows."

In the spirit of that antique reference list (with a peculiar name that does
not come to mind, writerly person that I am): Can someone name the teller
of the tale and the work from which it's taken? Any reformed reference
librarians out there? Hint: written around 2500 years ago.

regards,
dana

dbpearsonmlis.com

On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Guinn, Suzanne <sguinn-***@public.gmane.org> wrote:

> Re: "Due to such technology as writing and reading, people's memories
> are not what they once were..."
>
> Funny you should say that, as that has been the comment or thought
> "forever" as technology developed - even the development of a written
> language and the printing press. When histories and stories were
> memorized and passed down from generation to generation, much more of
> the brain was used. As these technologies have been developed, less
> brain and less memory is required. I can't cite this for you, but it is
> something I picked up while in grad. school.
>
> So that's an interesting observation.
>
> Suzanne Guinn
> Cataloger
> Rogers (AR) Public Library
>
>

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Michael Klossner
2009-10-08 13:44:16 UTC
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>In the spirit of that antique reference list (with a peculiar name that does
>not come to mind, writerly person that I am): Can someone name the teller
>of the tale and the work from which it's taken? Any reformed reference
>librarians out there? Hint: written around 2500 years ago.

Herodotus?

On the Fridayish subject of futuristic libraries, I recall that the
Gallifreyan Library on Doctor Who consitsted of the minds (not the
physical brains, but the minds, in electronic form) of deceased, wise
Time Lords.

Michael Klossner
Arkansas State Library
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Scott & Megan
2009-10-08 17:56:06 UTC
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Hi all,

Dana Pearson wrote:
> In the spirit of that antique reference list (with a
> peculiar name that does
> not come to mind, writerly person that I am): Can
> someone name the teller
> of the tale and the work from which it's taken? Any
> reformed reference
> librarians out there? Hint: written around 2500
> years ago.

I found this through Google - http://www.mattbarton.net/tikiwiki/tiki-view_blog.php?blogId=29

Are the answers Plato and "Theuth and Thamus"?

Sincerely,
Scott Casper
Government Documents Librarian
Poplar Creek Public Library
1405 S. Park Ave.
Streamwood, IL. 60107
(630) 837-6800
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Marian Veld
2009-10-08 20:07:37 UTC
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On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 9:34 PM, Dana Pearson <dbpearsonmlis-***@public.gmane.org>wrote:

>
> "The story is that in the region of Naucratis in Egypt...the
> god...Theuth...
> invented number and calculation, geometry and astronomy, not to speak of
> draughts and dice, and above all writing."....
> In the spirit of that antique reference list (with a peculiar name that
> does
> not come to mind, writerly person that I am): Can someone name the teller
> of the tale and the work from which it's taken? Any reformed reference
> librarians out there? Hint: written around 2500 years ago.
>
> Not reformed, cross trained. It is Plato, but it's Phaedrus. IIRC, we read
that in my second year Greek class (almost 20 years ago.)

--
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Marian Veld
2009-10-08 20:09:21 UTC
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On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Marian Veld <shewhowaits-***@public.gmane.org> wrote:

>
> IIRC, we read that in my second year Greek class (almost 20 years ago.)
>
> Oops. Maybe I shouldn't admit it, but that was av typo. It was almost 30
year ago.
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Esther Mandel
2009-10-08 20:26:44 UTC
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I have to compare the test data from two companies. The input was identical, OCLC records. We're interested in the differences in the output, which consists of OCLC bib and authority records. Our IT people say that because the files are continuous, it looks as if the only comparison program they could run would hit the first discrepancy and show everything after that as non-matching. Does anyone know of a way to do this (that I would understand. The last thing I understood in computerworld was flowcharting for COBOL.)


Esther Mandel
Cataloger
Sarasota County Public Libraries
Sarasota, Florida, USA
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Bryan Baldus
2009-10-08 21:20:35 UTC
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On Thursday, October 08, 2009 3:27 PM, Esther Mandel wrote:
>I have to compare the test data from two companies. The input was identical, OCLC records. We're interested in the differences in the output, which consists of OCLC bib and authority records. Our IT people say that because the files are continuous, it looks as if the only comparison program they could run would hit the first discrepancy and show everything after that as non-matching. Does anyone know of a way to do this (that I would understand. The last thing I understood in computerworld was flowcharting for COBOL.)<

MarcEdit 4.x [1] has an Add-in, RobertCompare, that might be of use in comparing 2 files in raw MARC format, provided the records in each file are organized in the same order and both files have the same records (neither has records not appearing in the other). (Unless something has changed recently, this Add-in is only available in the older, pre-5 version of MarcEdit, not versions past 5).

If the records are not in the same order, but both files include all records, and all records include unique 001 control numbers, then I'd use a Perl program (available upon request, but it would need minor modification in order to run on other systems) to sort the files alphabetically by title+control number, then run RobertCompare on the sorted files.

If records appear in one or both files that are not in the other, then I'd run additional Perl programs (available upon request, but it would need minor modification in order to run on other systems) to identify and extract the extras, then sort the files and compare as described above.

[1] <http://people.oregonstate.edu/~reeset/marcedit/software/MarcEdit4_6a.exe>

I hope this helps,

Bryan Baldus
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Joel Hahn
2009-10-08 22:07:05 UTC
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Esther Mandel wrote:
> I have to compare the test data from two companies. The
> input was identical, OCLC records. We're interested in the
> differences in the output, which consists of OCLC bib and
> authority records. Our IT people say that because the files
> are continuous, it looks as if the only comparison program
> they could run would hit the first discrepancy and show
> everything after that as non-matching. Does anyone know of a
> way to do this (that I would understand. The last thing I
> understood in computerworld was flowcharting for COBOL.)

Something your IT people could do is first convert all instances of \x1D
(the MARC21 end of record character) to a line break in each file, then
run the comparison. And if necessary, convert all line breaks back to
\x1D in the output.

If all you really want to know is which records are in one file that
aren't in the other (rather than also knowing which records contain any
differences), then perhaps your IT people could pull out the OCLC
numbers from each file into a separate file (there are Perl programs
that can do that, and I think MarcEdit might be able to), and then
compare *those* files. You wouldn't end up with the full record for
each of the "differences", but you'd have the OCLC number, which could
then be used to get the full OCLC record via Connexion, or possibly
could be used to get the full record out of the original file.

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Joel Hahn
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J. McRee Elrod
2009-10-09 06:22:24 UTC
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Esther Mandel said:

>I have to compare the test data from two companies.

If your concern is their relative adherence to MARC21, running every
10th record through MARCReport might work. MARCReport is the most
effective tool we have found for quality control, although we ignore
some of its objections to our records, e.g., 020s for individual
volumes in a serial record for an annual (in the absense of Utlas' 021
for that putpose), and our continued use of 503 for note arrangement
by field tag.


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Dana Pearson
2009-10-08 22:01:45 UTC
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The answer is: Socrates relates this tale in one of Plato's great works, *
Phaedrus* (274c-275b).

Hoping someone would remember (for extra points) the name of that early 90's
tough reference questions list .

regards,
dana

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Mitchell, Michael
2009-10-09 15:08:23 UTC
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Stumpers-L wasn't it?


Michael Mitchell
Technical Services Librarian
Brazosport College
Lake Jackson, TX
michael.mitchell at brazosport.edu


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The answer is: Socrates relates this tale in one of Plato's great
works, *
Phaedrus* (274c-275b).

Hoping someone would remember (for extra points) the name of that early
90's
tough reference questions list .

regards,
dana

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Joel Hahn
2009-10-09 15:39:21 UTC
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> Dana Pearson wrote:
> Hoping someone would remember (for extra points) the name of
> that early 90's tough reference questions list .

Mitchell, Michael wrote:
> Stumpers-L wasn't it?

Yes it was (and not just the early 90's; it lasted until 2005). It has
since been reborn as Project Wombat: http://project-wombat.org/

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Wright, Andrew
2009-10-09 16:12:31 UTC
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Hi all.
Sorry if this has been asked before but does anyone know a good way to
convert MARC files into a bibliography or a good utility that can do so?
Its not something I have ever been asked before!
Thanks in advance

Andrew Wright
Catalog Division Manager

City of Dallas
Public Library
Catalog Division
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Maria Mucino
2009-10-09 16:27:40 UTC
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Hi Andrew,

You can do it by selecting all the MARC record in Connection, then go to File, Print Accession list and instead of printing the list, save it as Microsoft XPS documents, then you can either publish the page on you website or do whatever you want with your bib list.

Hope it helps!


Maria R. Mucino
Librarian II - Cataloguer
City of Mesa Library
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Jon Gorman
2009-10-09 17:24:55 UTC
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On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Wright, Andrew
<andrew.wright1-SHhPKIjSce3uqCPzvYfaiNi2O/***@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> Hi all.
> Sorry if this has been asked before but does anyone know a good way to
> convert MARC files into a bibliography or a good utility that can do so?
> Its not something I have ever been asked before!
> Thanks in advance
>

Zotero will read in at least some MARC files, although I haven't
tested the parsing of MARC files extensively with Zotero yet. Then in
turn I think you can export in various biblliographic formats.
Neither Refworks or Endnote will parse raw marc directly (or at least
that's what their support has told me) but you can do some conversions
to get it into a format those will recognize. There's a nice post
about it here: http://robotlibrarian.billdueber.com/sending-marcish-data-to-refworks/.
It's a bit technical, but you can take the same idea. It includes
some information on the refwork's "direct export" but it documents
what I call the "almost Marc Breaker" format.

I can think of some hackish ways as well. If you poke around various
tools like yaz-client or some of the Open Source ILS stuff there's
various transformations to different bibliographic formats. If you
get a marc file into MARCXML file there's some stylesheets hidden
around. It'll take some digging, so it might help to know what
bibligoraphic style you need.

Jon Gorman
Research Information Specialist
University of Illinois

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2009-10-13 16:30:00 UTC
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On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Wright, Andrew <
andrew.wright1-SHhPKIjSce3uqCPzvYfaiNi2O/***@public.gmane.org> wrote:

> Hi all.
> Sorry if this has been asked before but does anyone know a good way to
> convert MARC files into a bibliography or a good utility that can do so?
> Its not something I have ever been asked before!
> Thanks in advance
>

I'm pretty sure ProCite can do this. I tried to verify that from their
website, but couldn't find it. I did find from their website that they
support Z39.50 and several libraries were listed in the list of z39.50
servers, so this supports, but does not prove, my vague memory that they do
accept MARC input.
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2009-10-09 16:48:56 UTC
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I'm currently working with OCLC #247441337 (School principal : managing in public / Dan C. Lortie). I was trying to figure out if "$z Illinois $z Chicago Metropolitan area" is valid. I found an authority record, which says it was "generated for validation purposes", for "Chicago Metropolitan Area (Ill.) $v Maps" (sh2008100265). As far as I can tell, however, there is no authority record for "Chicago Metropolitan Area (Ill.)". Should I report this authority record? What about the geographical subdivisions used in the bibliographic record? There doesn't seem to be an authority record that covers this yet, but maybe there will be in the future?


Melissa Cookson
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Tarleton State University
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2009-10-09 16:59:52 UTC
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On Friday, October 09, 2009 11:49 AM, Melissa Cookson wrote:
>I'm currently working with OCLC #247441337 (School principal : managing in public / Dan C. Lortie). I was trying to figure out if "$z Illinois $z Chicago Metropolitan area" is valid. I found an authority record, which says it was "generated for validation purposes", for "Chicago Metropolitan Area (Ill.) $v Maps" (sh2008100265). As far as I can tell, however, there is no authority record for "Chicago Metropolitan Area (Ill.)".

Subject Cataloging Manual : Subject Headings H362, Free-floating terms and phrases:
"1. Formulating headings. Formulate and assign the following types of phrase headings without submitting proposals to establish them in the subject authority file:
>[name of city] Metropolitan Area ([geographic qualifier]). Examples:
>>651 \0$aAtlanta Metropolitan Area (Ga.)
...
Exception: Add no geographic qualifier to the following headings for metropolitan areas: Jerusalem ..., New York ..., and Washington ...
"

Similar instructions are given for Region and Suburban Area.

I hope this helps,

Bryan Baldus
Cataloger
Quality Books Inc.
The Best of America's Independent Presses
1-800-323-4241x402
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Cookson, Ms. Melissa
2009-10-09 17:07:58 UTC
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Oh, thank you, that does help! And thank you for listing where the information comes from - I hunted down our copy and moved it over to my office.


Melissa Cookson
Catalog Librarian
Tarleton State University
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On Friday, October 09, 2009 11:49 AM, Melissa Cookson wrote:
>I'm currently working with OCLC #247441337 (School principal : managing in public / Dan C. Lortie). I was trying to figure out if "$z Illinois $z Chicago Metropolitan area" is valid. I found an authority record, which says it was "generated for validation purposes", for "Chicago Metropolitan Area (Ill.) $v Maps" (sh2008100265). As far as I can tell, however, there is no authority record for "Chicago Metropolitan Area (Ill.)".

Subject Cataloging Manual : Subject Headings H362, Free-floating terms and phrases:
"1. Formulating headings. Formulate and assign the following types of phrase headings without submitting proposals to establish them in the subject authority file:
>[name of city] Metropolitan Area ([geographic qualifier]). Examples:
>>651 \0$aAtlanta Metropolitan Area (Ga.)
...
Exception: Add no geographic qualifier to the following headings for metropolitan areas: Jerusalem ..., New York ..., and Washington ...
"

Similar instructions are given for Region and Suburban Area.

I hope this helps,

Bryan Baldus
Cataloger
Quality Books Inc.
The Best of America's Independent Presses
1-800-323-4241x402
bryan.baldus-jirfehajzwlKlc0J7/4CmAC/***@public.gmane.org

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Joan Jones
2009-10-09 17:08:15 UTC
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Hi, Melissa--
No, the string [topical heading]--Illinois--Chicago Metropolitan Area is
not valid. You can only subdivide down to a city jurisdiction. So, on a
cataloging record you would handle this situation (as I remember from
advanced cataloging class) with the two headings: 651 _0 Chicago
Metropolitan Area (Ill.) ... and 650 _0 [topical
heading]--Illinois--Chicago.

HTH.
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Subject: [ACAT] Chicago Metropolitan Area (Ill.) - valid?

I'm currently working with OCLC #247441337 (School principal : managing
in public / Dan C. Lortie). I was trying to figure out if "$z Illinois
$z Chicago Metropolitan area" is valid. I found an authority record,
which says it was "generated for validation purposes", for "Chicago
Metropolitan Area (Ill.) $v Maps" (sh2008100265). As far as I can tell,
however, there is no authority record for "Chicago Metropolitan Area
(Ill.)". Should I report this authority record? What about the
geographical subdivisions used in the bibliographic record? There
doesn't seem to be an authority record that covers this yet, but maybe
there will be in the future?


Melissa Cookson
Catalog Librarian
Tarleton State University
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Bryan Baldus
2009-10-09 17:25:15 UTC
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On Friday, October 09, 2009 12:08 PM, Joan Jones wrote:
>No, the string [topical heading]--Illinois--Chicago Metropolitan Area is not valid. You can only subdivide down to a city jurisdiction. So, on a cataloging record you would handle this situation (as I remember from advanced cataloging class) with the two headings: 651 _0 Chicago Metropolitan Area (Ill.) ... and 650 _0 [topical heading]--Illinois--Chicago.<

SCM:SH H 830 (p. 4):
"1. General provision ...
>Do not divide topics geographically to a level lower than that of a city, town, etc. Instead, assign additional headings to bring out entities and features in cities, including archaeological sites, parks and gardens, streets and roads, city sections, etc."

However:

"4. Metropolitan areas and city regions. Except for Jerusalem Metropolitan Area, New York Metropolitan Area, and Washington Metropolitan Area, assign metropolitan areas as local subdivisions through the jurisdiction in which the city proper is located, even if the metropolitan area spreads over more than a single country (or first order political division in the case of Canada, Great Britain, and the United States)."

######

So, [topical heading]--Illinois--Chicago Metropolitan Area does appear to be valid, and has been used on a fair number of records in LC's database.

Please correct me if I am wrong,

Bryan Baldus
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Susan Moore
2009-10-09 18:06:06 UTC
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Bryan Baldus wrote:
> On Friday, October 09, 2009 12:08 PM, Joan Jones wrote:
>> No, the string [topical heading]--Illinois--Chicago Metropolitan Area is not valid. You can only subdivide down to a city jurisdiction. So, on a cataloging record you would handle this situation (as I remember from advanced cataloging class) with the two headings: 651 _0 Chicago Metropolitan Area (Ill.) ... and 650 _0 [topical heading]--Illinois--Chicago.<
>
> SCM:SH H 830 (p. 4):
> "1. General provision ...
>> Do not divide topics geographically to a level lower than that of a city, town, etc. Instead, assign additional headings to bring out entities and features in cities, including archaeological sites, parks and gardens, streets and roads, city sections, etc."
>
> However:
>
> "4. Metropolitan areas and city regions. Except for Jerusalem Metropolitan Area, New York Metropolitan Area, and Washington Metropolitan Area, assign metropolitan areas as local subdivisions through the jurisdiction in which the city proper is located, even if the metropolitan area spreads over more than a single country (or first order political division in the case of Canada, Great Britain, and the United States)."
>
> ######
>
> So, [topical heading]--Illinois--Chicago Metropolitan Area does appear to be valid, and has been used on a fair number of records in LC's database.
>
> Please correct me if I am wrong,

Bryan has it. The Chicago Metropolitan Area is larger than the city of
Chicago. It includes the suburbs. Chicago just refers to the city
itself. If you've working with an area even larger than the metro area,
then you can use Chicago Region.

I think what Joan is remembering is that if you had something on the
area of Chicago called Lincoln Park, you can't do something like
[topical heading] |z Illinois |z Lincoln Park (Chicago). You'd have to
do [topical heading] |z Illinois |z Chicago AND a 651 Lincoln Park
(Chicago, Ill.).

How's that?

Susan Moore
Rod Library
University of Northern Iowa
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2009-10-09 18:09:51 UTC
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Yes! That is indeed what I am remembering. Thanks!
Joan

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Bryan Baldus wrote:
> On Friday, October 09, 2009 12:08 PM, Joan Jones wrote:
>> No, the string [topical heading]--Illinois--Chicago Metropolitan Area

>> is not valid. You can only subdivide down to a city jurisdiction. So,

>> on a cataloging record you would handle this situation (as I remember

>> from advanced cataloging class) with the two headings: 651 _0 Chicago

>> Metropolitan Area (Ill.) ... and 650 _0 [topical
>> heading]--Illinois--Chicago.<
>
> SCM:SH H 830 (p. 4):
> "1. General provision ...
>> Do not divide topics geographically to a level lower than that of a
city, town, etc. Instead, assign additional headings to bring out
entities and features in cities, including archaeological sites, parks
and gardens, streets and roads, city sections, etc."
>
> However:
>
> "4. Metropolitan areas and city regions. Except for Jerusalem
Metropolitan Area, New York Metropolitan Area, and Washington
Metropolitan Area, assign metropolitan areas as local subdivisions
through the jurisdiction in which the city proper is located, even if
the metropolitan area spreads over more than a single country (or first
order political division in the case of Canada, Great Britain, and the
United States)."
>
> ######
>
> So, [topical heading]--Illinois--Chicago Metropolitan Area does appear
to be valid, and has been used on a fair number of records in LC's
database.
>
> Please correct me if I am wrong,

Bryan has it. The Chicago Metropolitan Area is larger than the city of
Chicago. It includes the suburbs. Chicago just refers to the city
itself. If you've working with an area even larger than the metro area,
then you can use Chicago Region.

I think what Joan is remembering is that if you had something on the
area of Chicago called Lincoln Park, you can't do something like
[topical heading] |z Illinois |z Lincoln Park (Chicago). You'd have to
do [topical heading] |z Illinois |z Chicago AND a 651 Lincoln Park
(Chicago, Ill.).

How's that?

Susan Moore
Rod Library
University of Northern Iowa
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So, it's true, readin' rots the mind?

Kitty
----- "Suzanne Guinn" <sguinn-OYOQjBJbU/***@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> Re: "Due to such technology as writing and reading, people's memories
> are not what they once were..."
>
> Funny you should say that, as that has been the comment or thought
> "forever" as technology developed - even the development of a written
> language and the printing press. When histories and stories were
> memorized and passed down from generation to generation, much more of
> the brain was used. As these technologies have been developed, less
> brain and less memory is required. I can't cite this for you, but it
> is
> something I picked up while in grad. school.
>
> So that's an interesting observation.
>
> Suzanne Guinn
> Cataloger
> Rogers (AR) Public Library
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Esther Mandel [mailto:emandel-Ez8gjcqaRvbA+***@public.gmane.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 4:18 PM
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>
> Sandra DeSio said: " I'm sure it will be a historical boon for
> anthropologists and sociologists in the future who really do want to
> know what color my socks are, but even =
> without this obsessive data storage, we already have the expression
> 'TMI'--Too Much Information."
>
> My concerns are a little different. I'm sure that if this became
> practicable, I would surrender the necessity to ever remember
> anything
> myself to my handy-dandy portable memory technology, following
> promptly
> on which one of three things would happen: 1. The memory storage,
> whatever it was, would become fried and everything would be gone; 2.
> My
> memory would be attacked by a virus, worm, etc., resulting in a
> memory
> resembling the doctor's bill my cats modified for me recently--
> partially digested, and the remainder chewed, soggy, hairballed, and
> punched full of cute little holes; or 3. I'd forget my password.
> Due
> to such technology as writing and reading, people's memories are not
> what they once were (or maybe it's the multi-dimensional expansion of
> things we have to remember), but I don't want to lose any more than
> advancing age requires.
>
> Esther Mandel
> Cataloger
> Sarasota County Public Libraries
> Sarasota, Florida, USA
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Charles Irwin
2009-10-08 17:56:57 UTC
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It used to be said that most human beings used only a tenth of their
brain's capacity and that we could all be Einsteins if we learned to
harness our brains. A great many methods of increasing your brain power
were marketed based on that assumption. This assumption has pretty much
been discarded, based on better understanding of brain function and the
fact that Darwinism would indicate that if we only used 10% of our
brains, our brains would only be a tenth the size they are. While we may
use our memory differently (no longer having to memorize the myriad
names of the spirits that inhabited each tree, hill and creek), we still
have an incredible amount of things to memorize. How to drive cars,
rules of the road, cataloging trivia, where we put the list of our
relatives birthdays (since we no longer have to memorize the dates
themselves....), etc, etc. I suspect the lamentation of the lost of
memory skills is more "urban legend" than reality.

Charlie Irwin
unemployed librarian & employed (mostly) bass-player
Austin TX

> ----- "Suzanne Guinn" <sguinn-OYOQjBJbU/***@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>
>> Re: "Due to such technology as writing and reading, people's memories
>> are not what they once were..."
>>
>> Funny you should say that, as that has been the comment or thought
>> "forever" as technology developed - even the development of a written
>> language and the printing press. When histories and stories were
>> memorized and passed down from generation to generation, much more of
>> the brain was used. As these technologies have been developed, less
>> brain and less memory is required. I can't cite this for you, but it
>> is
>> something I picked up while in grad. school.
>>
>> So that's an interesting observation.
>>
>> Suzanne Guinn
>> Cataloger
>> Rogers (AR) Public Library
>>
>>

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Myers, John F.
2009-10-08 17:45:58 UTC
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I reckon so, Little Georgie.

John F. Myers, Catalog Librarian
Schaffer Library, Union College
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Marschall

So, it's true, readin' rots the mind?

Kitty
----- "Suzanne Guinn" <sguinn-OYOQjBJbU/***@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> Re: "Due to such technology as writing and reading, people's memories
> are not what they once were..."
>
> Funny you should say that, as that has been the comment or thought
> "forever" as technology developed - even the development of a written
> language and the printing press. When histories and stories were
> memorized and passed down from generation to generation, much more of
> the brain was used. As these technologies have been developed, less
> brain and less memory is required.

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2009-10-09 13:25:47 UTC
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This just came in on another list I subscribe to. What happens to all our fabulous electronic memory gadgets when the power goes out and The Machine Stops (nods to E.M. Forster)?

http://heinberg.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/museletter-209.pdf

Dawn Grattino
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Subject: Re: [ACAT] Total Recall

Total Recall: How the E-Memory Revolution Will Change Everything (Hardcover) by Gordon Bell

http://bit.ly/4k42Tu

" What if you could remember everything? Soon, if you choose, you will be able to conveniently and affordably record your whole life in minute detail. You would have Total Recall. Authors Gordon Bell and Jim Gemmell draw on experience from their MyLifeBits project at Microsoft Research to explain the benefits to come from an earth-shaking and inevitable increase in electronic memories."

In response to:

Is this the book upon which the movie by this name is based, the one that takes place on Mars and involves Arnold, the "California Governator?" Truly, I have seen that movie more than once and I like this movie.  Truly, I am puzzled as to why this would be causing a stir; maybe because it does involve "playing" with the mind and can be considered violent in some parts of the movie.

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MULLEN Allen
2009-10-10 14:57:26 UTC
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Dawn Grattino asks:

This just came in on another list I subscribe to. What happens to all our fabulous electronic memory gadgets when the power goes out and The Machine Stops (nods to E.M. Forster)?

http://heinberg.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/museletter-209.pdf

Hi Dawn,
Frankly, I won’t be so worried about digital resources, e-memories, and gadgets as I will be about water and food. Then again, I have a well with a hand pump backup, a pretty good sized garden, wood stove with adjoining woodlot, chickens, ducks, rabbits, a fairly good collection of books, bicycles, hand-tools, canning jars, solar dryers, seeds, etc. and lots of rural farming neighbors so maybe I will have the luxury miss podcasts and digital videos from time to time.

The issue of digital preservation is critical though. I was passionately working on these issues in one of my past lives at the Texas State Library and Archives Commission so have some insight into this, albeit out-of-date. Collapse of power supplies is among the possible threats but not necessarily the most critical. Rapid changes in file formats, software, and storage mechanisms, with little or no backward compatibility (where do I stick this 5 ¼ in. floppy, or this 3 1/2 floppy , or soon, this CD-ROM disc) remains the overwhelming norm in humankind’s short digital life. This isn’t going to keep me from amassing stupendous amounts of digital family photos and pictures and utilizing social networking tools, nor will it halt the evolution of library technology. When WorldCat, Facebook and Flickr disintegrate, you can’t feed yourself or your family on them anyway.

"It is not the strongest of the species that survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change." Charles Darwin

Allen Mullen
Cataloger, Eugene P
Scott Piepenburg
2009-10-07 18:20:33 UTC
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The Arnold movie was based on the Philip K. Dick story We can remember
it for you wholesale. If you search in our catalog for the title of
that work you will find a link to the movie and vice versa. Ah, the
joys of FRBR.

Scott Piepenburg
Systems Librarian
Library Media Services
Dallas ISD
2525 S. Ervay
Dallas, TX 75215
972.925.4829 (office)
972.925.4833 (fax)

"I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or
numbered. My life is my own!" --No. 6


>>> "Lust, Peter" <pslust-***@public.gmane.org> 10/7/2009 12:52 PM >>>
Is this the book upon which the movie by this name is based, the one
that takes place on Mars and involves Arnold, the "California
Governator?" Truly, I have seen that movie more than once and I like
this movie. Truly, I am puzzled as to why this would be causing a stir;
maybe because it does involve "playing" with the mind and can be
considered violent in some parts of the movie.

Peter S. Lust
Library Assistant II
Mabie Law Library - UCD
Davis, California 95616

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Ankersen, Elizabeth L
2009-10-07 18:15:09 UTC
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Sounds extremely dubious! Besides, since most lives are 95%
excruciatingly boring, who would want to recall every moment?
(By the way, the movie Total Recall was based on a short story by Philip
K. Dick, called: We can remember for you wholesale.Very different from
the movie!)

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Queens Library, Jamaica N.Y.
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2009-10-09 04:45:02 UTC
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On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 16:26:44 -0400, Esther Mandel <emandel-Ez8gjcqaRvbA+***@public.gmane.org> wrote:

>I have to compare the test data from two companies. The input was
identical, OCLC records. We're interested in the differences in the output,
which consists of OCLC bib and authority records. Our IT people say that
because the files are continuous, it looks as if the only comparison program
they could run would hit the first discrepancy and show everything after
that as non-matching. Does anyone know of a way to do this (that I would
understand. The last thing I understood in computerworld was flowcharting
for COBOL.)

As a brief after-note to Bryan Baldus's reference to MarcEdit, the version I
have in current use (5.1) includes a "sort" capability (under the "Tools"
menu when you have a text version open). I've used it a couple of times and
found it effective.

Hal Cain
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Henry Lam
2009-10-09 06:29:02 UTC
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Hi

There is an open source program call WinMerge that can help.

You can use the MarcEdit to convert the files into text format first, and
use WinMerge to compare. (Assuming the sequence of records in the files are
the same), WinMerge will highlight the difference.

Hope it helps.


Regards
Henry

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> On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 16:26:44 -0400, Esther Mandel <emandel-Ez8gjcqaRvbA+***@public.gmane.org>
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> >I have to compare the test data from two companies. The input was
> identical, OCLC records. We're interested in the differences in the
> output,
> which consists of OCLC bib and authority records. Our IT people say that
> because the files are continuous, it looks as if the only comparison
> program
> they could run would hit the first discrepancy and show everything after
> that as non-matching. Does anyone know of a way to do this (that I would
> understand. The last thing I understood in computerworld was flowcharting
> for COBOL.)
>
> As a brief after-note to Bryan Baldus's reference to MarcEdit, the version
> I
> have in current use (5.1) includes a "sort" capability (under the "Tools"
> menu when you have a text version open). I've used it a couple of times
> and
> found it effective.
>
> Hal Cain
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Constanta Dumitrasconiu
2009-10-09 10:06:28 UTC
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Good morning to all!

Does anyone use Koha? For what? Is he satisfied?

Thank you very much,
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2009-10-12 16:40:20 UTC
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You've had a number of answers already -- but be sure to check your ILS.
The software may have a way to make of list of records and then create a
bibliography. I think that Follett Destiny does so others might as well.

La Donna
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Fort Wayne, Indiana
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In a message dated 10/9/2009 12:21:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
andrew.wright1-w7qFaYjUDa+***@public.gmane.org writes:
Hi all.
Sorry if this has been asked before but does anyone know a good way to
convert MARC files into a bibliography or a good utility that can do so?
Its not something I have ever been asked before!
Thanks in advance

Andrew Wright
Catalog Division Manager

City of Dallas
Public Library
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