Discussion:
Vendor records redux
Jerri Swinehart
2014-10-07 13:49:43 UTC
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Thank you for listening redux!

And while I'm at it ... the books with multiple parts are entered
incorrectly not to mention but I'm dealing with the wrong spelling for the
word authorized ... it's been entered as authorised!

Thank you!

I am STILL so disgusted!

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Mary Mastraccio
2014-10-07 13:54:12 UTC
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In an international environment we have to accept different spellings.

http://grammarist.com/spelling/authorise-authorize/
Authorise is standard in all main varieties of English outside North America.

Mary L. Mastraccio
Director of Cataloging and Authorities
MARCIVE, Inc.
San Antonio, TX 78265
1-800-531-7678


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Subject: [ACAT] Vendor records redux

Thank you for listening redux!

And while I'm at it ... the books with multiple parts are entered
incorrectly not to mention but I'm dealing with the wrong spelling for the
word authorized ... it's been entered as authorised!

Thank you!

I am STILL so disgusted!

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Oakland University
Kresge Library
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Jerri Swinehart
2014-10-07 14:13:28 UTC
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I wish that I could accept that idea ... however, American school students
are not taught that there is a difference between American and
International English. Also, the word authorized goes in a subfield s not a
subfield p.

So forgive me for being a bit peevish, but the errors I'm correcting are
truly irritating!

However, I'll try to eat enough dark chocolate to lighten my mood!

Thank you!

Jerri Swinehart
MLIS
Library Technician III
Metadata Technician
Oakland University
Kresge Library
Collections Support Services
Rochester, MI 48309-4484
swinehar-+X+/***@public.gmane.org

On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 9:54 AM, Mary Mastraccio <MaryM-***@public.gmane.org> wrote:

> In an international environment we have to accept different spellings.
>
> http://grammarist.com/spelling/authorise-authorize/
> Authorise is standard in all main varieties of English outside North
> America.
>
> Mary L. Mastraccio
> Director of Cataloging and Authorities
> MARCIVE, Inc.
> San Antonio, TX 78265
> 1-800-531-7678
>
>
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> Swinehart
> Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 8:50 AM
> To: AUTOCAT-***@public.gmane.org
> Subject: [ACAT] Vendor records redux
>
> Thank you for listening redux!
>
> And while I'm at it ... the books with multiple parts are entered
> incorrectly not to mention but I'm dealing with the wrong spelling for the
> word authorized ... it's been entered as authorised!
>
> Thank you!
>
> I am STILL so disgusted!
>
> --
> Jerri Swinehart
> MLIS
> Library Technician III
> Metadata Technician
> Oakland University
> Kresge Library
> Collections Support Services
> Rochester, MI 48309-4484
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Mary Mastraccio
2014-10-07 15:17:00 UTC
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After I sent my response I realized you were probably talking about an authorized access point, which does need to follow the authorized form--depending on the term it can go either way.

130 0 $_aNelson Mandela, the authorised comic book.$_lSpanish
110 2 $_aHampshire Authorised Validating Agency

Mary L. Mastraccio
Director of Cataloging and Authorities
MARCIVE, Inc.
San Antonio, TX 78265
1-800-531-7678


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Subject: Re: [ACAT] Vendor records redux

I wish that I could accept that idea ... however, American school students
are not taught that there is a difference between American and
International English. Also, the word authorized goes in a subfield s not a
subfield p.

So forgive me for being a bit peevish, but the errors I'm correcting are
truly irritating!

However, I'll try to eat enough dark chocolate to lighten my mood!

Thank you!

Jerri Swinehart
MLIS
Library Technician III
Metadata Technician
Oakland University
Kresge Library
Collections Support Services
Rochester, MI 48309-4484
swinehar-+X+/***@public.gmane.org

On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 9:54 AM, Mary Mastraccio <MaryM-***@public.gmane.org> wrote:

> In an international environment we have to accept different spellings.
>
> http://grammarist.com/spelling/authorise-authorize/
> Authorise is standard in all main varieties of English outside North
> America.
>
> Mary L. Mastraccio
> Director of Cataloging and Authorities
> MARCIVE, Inc.
> San Antonio, TX 78265
> 1-800-531-7678
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AUTOCAT [mailto:AUTOCAT-***@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Jerri
> Swinehart
> Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 8:50 AM
> To: AUTOCAT-***@public.gmane.org
> Subject: [ACAT] Vendor records redux
>
> Thank you for listening redux!
>
> And while I'm at it ... the books with multiple parts are entered
> incorrectly not to mention but I'm dealing with the wrong spelling for the
> word authorized ... it's been entered as authorised!
>
> Thank you!
>
> I am STILL so disgusted!
>
> --
> Jerri Swinehart
> MLIS
> Library Technician III
> Metadata Technician
> Oakland University
> Kresge Library
> Collections Support Services
> Rochester, MI 48309-4484
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Christopher Thomas
2014-10-07 16:16:31 UTC
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Mary L. Mastraccio wrote, " After I sent my response I realized you were probably talking about an authorized access point, which does need to follow the authorized form--depending on the term it can go either way.

130 0 $_aNelson Mandela, the authorised comic book.$_lSpanish
110 2 $_aHampshire Authorised Validating Agency"


Yes, Jerri Swinehart was talking about the "Authorized" version of the Bible, also known as the King James Version. The Librrary of Congress established it with the North American spelling, but perhaps it would make more sense to use the English spelling, since this version originated in England. I'm not sure what the British usage is for the King James Bible.


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Mary Tilley
2014-10-07 15:28:56 UTC
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I have this same problem. I correct and correct certain subject headings (esp.) and they recur in each new batch load. It is very frustrating, but far worse are the wrong usage of subdivisions. The pieces and parts will validate, but that doesn't mean the whole heading is valid. The ones that are especially a problem are those subdivisions that can't be used with classes of persons, but are, I guess because someone doesn't realize it is a class of persons, such as federal employees or school children.
The bible headings will show up quickly and can be easily changed in global, but the individual errors are much harder to deal with.
I do not offer a solution, but just to let you know we are all dealing with this problem. Good luck on yours.

Mary Tilley
Authority Specialist
University of Nebraska--Lincoln Libraries

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Subject: Re: [ACAT] Vendor records redux

I wish that I could accept that idea ... however, American school students are not taught that there is a difference between American and International English. Also, the word authorized goes in a subfield s not a subfield p.

So forgive me for being a bit peevish, but the errors I'm correcting are truly irritating!

However, I'll try to eat enough dark chocolate to lighten my mood!

Thank you!

Jerri Swinehart
MLIS
Library Technician III
Metadata Technician
Oakland University
Kresge Library
Collections Support Services
Rochester, MI 48309-4484
***@oakland.edu

On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 9:54 AM, Mary Mastraccio <***@marcive.com> wrote:

> In an international environment we have to accept different spellings.
>
> http://grammarist.com/spelling/authorise-authorize/
> Authorise is standard in all main varieties of English outside North
> America.
>
> Mary L. Mastraccio
> Director of Cataloging and Authorities MARCIVE, Inc.
> San Antonio, TX 78265
> 1-800-531-7678
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AUTOCAT [mailto:***@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU] On Behalf Of Jerri
> Swinehart
> Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 8:50 AM
> To: ***@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
> Subject: [ACAT] Vendor records redux
>
> Thank you for listening redux!
>
> And while I'm at it ... the books with multiple parts are entered
> incorrectly not to mention but I'm dealing with the wrong spelling for the
> word authorized ... it's been entered as authorised!
>
> Thank you!
>
> I am STILL so disgusted!
>
> --
> Jerri Swinehart
> MLIS
> Library Technician III
> Metadata Technician
> Oakland University
> Kresge Library
> Collections Support Services
> Rochester, MI 48309-4484
> ***@oakland.edu
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Tina Gunther
2014-10-07 18:10:56 UTC
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On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 8:28 AM, Mary Tilley <mtilley2-***@public.gmane.org> wrote:

> I correct and correct certain subject headings (esp.) and they recur in
> each new batch load.


​My orders are to just leave the batch ebooks the way they are. It really
frustrates me to do that, but the PTBs have decided that it is not worth
the time and effort that it takes to fix the ebook records that have wrong,
out-dated, or non-existent headings. The reasoning is tied to the belief
that all resources are keyword findable.


Tina Gunther <tina.gunther-UTPFqA7widyHXe+***@public.gmane.org>
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Daniel CannCasciato
2014-10-08 14:47:52 UTC
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Hi All,

Tina Gunther wrote:

> ​My orders are to just leave the batch ebooks the way they are. It really
> frustrates me to do that, but the PTBs have decided that it is not worth
> the time and effort that it takes to fix the ebook records that have wrong,
> out-dated, or non-existent headings. The reasoning is tied to the belief
> that all resources are keyword findable.

I'll bet that the basis for the decision of the PTBs is somewhat undermined in:
"Still a Lot to Lose: The Role of Controlled Vocabulary in Keyword
Searching" (co-authored with Tina Gross and Daniel N. Joudrey). Cataloging
& Classification Quarterly (2014): [in press]

I have not yet read it, BTW.

How do you keyword search some term if it isn't in the record, or is incorrectly spelled, or is mis-tagged and so not included in the keyword index? (Just a few issues that readily come to mind.)

Daniel

Daniel CannCasciato
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Thomas, Kirsti
2014-10-07 19:39:08 UTC
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Several years ago, I worked on a project within the Orbis-Cascade Alliance to set some cataloging ground rules to prep for on upcoming migration to a completely shared ILS.
https://www.orbiscascade.org/bib-mandates

Among the mandates we set were:

- All bibliographic records contributed to the Summit catalog must contain specific mandatory elements and meet a minimum level of completeness (or “floor”). Minimum descriptive standards for the Alliance are the CONSER Standard Record (CSR) for serials and the BIBCO Standard Record (BSR) for all other bibliographic formats.

- While Alliance libraries are free to choose outsourcing vendors according to their needs, vendor records added to the shared catalog must, whenever possible, meet Alliance Bibliographic Standards and Best Practices


Regarding the latter, we also went on to say "When feasible, outsourcing vendors should be required to provide record sets that meet the Alliance Bibliographic Standards and Best Practices. Member libraries should advocate for this and, when possible, make this requirement part of the contract with the vendor."

We'd had a number of experiences where the consortium had licensed package deals without the people paying much attention to whether vendor records would be provided, or if provided metadata conformed to international standards. The work load on the cataloging staff across the consortium ended up being unmanageable, so the catalogers lobbied to include specs for metadata records as part of the contract negotiations. Basically, we wanted a financial incentive in situations where it cost us staff time to bring the metadata "up to code."

I'm no longer at an Orbis-Cascade library, so I don't know how effective this mandate has been.

Kirsti S. Thomas
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Seattle Colleges
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J. McRee Elrod
2014-10-08 15:38:55 UTC
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Daniel said:

>How do you keyword search some term if it isn't in the record, or is
>incorrectly spelled, or is mis-tagged and so not included in the
>keyword index?

Agreed.

It seems to me that to insist that vendors provide better records is a
better solution than having each library attempt to upgrade them
individually.

SLC's cataloguers are human, and of course make mistakes, but we have
had few complaints about the records we provide for several electronic
publishers and aggrigators. Our clients seem willing to pay a bit ore
for quality records produced by qualified cataloguers. Wish they all
were.


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Lisa de Carbonel
2014-10-08 21:09:51 UTC
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We handle vendor records same as Biola. We purchase these vendor
records for their convenience factor so it kind of defeats the purpose
to spend any amount of time fixing them. Certainly, if making a global
heading change, vendor records will be caught then and updated, but
that's it. I use a separate login for vendor loads in order to omit
vendor records from our weekly heading reports (Innovative/Sierra
system), so other than a few load specific tweaks (adding local fields
for series/collection name, or $z labels to URLs) we leave vendor
records as is, until and/or unless a particularly bad one draws
someone's attention. If the vendor records are really bad and our
public service librarians complain, perhaps then they'll stop agreeing
to purchase them!

Lisa de Carbonel


> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 11:10:56 -0700
> From: Tina Gunther<tina.gunther-iGcBE+***@public.gmane.org>
> Subject: Re: Vendor records redux
>
> On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 8:28 AM, Mary Tilley<mtilley2-***@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>
>> I correct and correct certain subject headings (esp.) and they recur in
>> each new batch load.
> My orders are to just leave the batch ebooks the way they are. It really
> frustrates me to do that, but the PTBs have decided that it is not worth
> the time and effort that it takes to fix the ebook records that have wrong,
> out-dated, or non-existent headings. The reasoning is tied to the belief
> that all resources are keyword findable.
>
>
> Tina Gunther<tina.gunther-UTPFqA7widyHXe+***@public.gmane.org>
> Library Technician (x5608)
> Biola University, La Mirada CA
> --
>
> Lisa de Carbonel
> Systems Editor
> Berkeley Law, Library
> University of California, Berkeley
>

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Jeremy Goldstein
2014-10-09 13:00:08 UTC
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We have largely accepted a similar policy of leaving the majority of e-book
records that come into our system be. The vast quantity of them that we
receive on a daily basis are simply too unmanageable to do otherwise.
Though we have done some research to back up this decision, and are in the
process of conducting some further data gathering.

As an example of supporting evidence, over the past 12 months, only ~12% of
our Overdrive page views were referred by our catalog. Furthermore, doing
some Google Analytics data diving of our catalog (sorry I don't have exact
figures for this piece), the vast majority of Overdrive records were
discovered via known title or author searches.

Given those sorts of findings, we have grown pretty comfortable with the
sort of records we have been receiving for services like Overdrive. Though
we will still correct a record if we happen to stumble across one in the
course of our standard authority work (if you have it open anyway then why
not?).

Jeremy Goldstein
Supervisor of Resource Management
Minuteman Library Network
508-655-8008 ext.222
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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 07:47:52 -0700
> From: Daniel CannCasciato <dcc-cataloging-deqWdTs+***@public.gmane.org>
> Subject: Re: Vendor records redux

Hi All,
> Tina Gunther wrote:
> > ​My orders are to just leave the batch ebooks the way they are. It really
> > frustrates me to do that, but the PTBs have decided that it is not worth
> > the time and effort that it takes to fix the ebook records that have
> wrong,
> > out-dated, or non-existent headings. The reasoning is tied to the belief
> > that all resources are keyword findable.
> I'll bet that the basis for the decision of the PTBs is somewhat
> undermined in:
> "Still a Lot to Lose: The Role of Controlled Vocabulary in Keyword
> Searching" (co-authored with Tina Gross and Daniel N. Joudrey). Cataloging
> & Classification Quarterly (2014): [in press]
> I have not yet read it, BTW.
> How do you keyword search some term if it isn't in the record, or is
> incorrectly spelled, or is mis-tagged and so not included in the keyword
> index? (Just a few issues that readily come to mind.)
> Daniel
> Daniel CannCasciato
> freelance cataloger
> PO Box 244
> Ellensburg WA 98926
> "Wearing the sensible shoes proudly since 1977"

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Thomas, Kirsti
2014-10-09 18:29:05 UTC
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Putting on my library patron hat... I'd appreciate more granularity in Overdrive records. When I'm looking for my trashy romance novels, I want the historical Regencies, not supernatural romances, or ones set in the American West or modern day. It's time consuming to wade through the subgenres that I don't want, especially with an online/mobile interface that only displays a few titles at a time. If I'm searching by title/author, it's because I've learned that subject/genre searches are more hassle than they're worth.

That said, I *love* how Overdrive has made it possible for me to download trashy romance novels any time of day or night.

Kirsti S. Thomas
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We have largely accepted a similar policy of leaving the majority of e-book records that come into our system be. The vast quantity of them that we receive on a daily basis are simply too unmanageable to do otherwise.
Though we have done some research to back up this decision, and are in the process of conducting some further data gathering.

As an example of supporting evidence, over the past 12 months, only ~12% of our Overdrive page views were referred by our catalog. Furthermore, doing some Google Analytics data diving of our catalog (sorry I don't have exact figures for this piece), the vast majority of Overdrive records were discovered via known title or author searches.

Given those sorts of findings, we have grown pretty comfortable with the sort of records we have been receiving for services like Overdrive. Though we will still correct a record if we happen to stumble across one in the course of our standard authority work (if you have it open anyway then why not?).

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 07:47:52 -0700
> From: Daniel CannCasciato <dcc-***@HOTMAIL.COM>
> Subject: Re: Vendor records redux

Hi All,
> Tina Gunther wrote:
> > ​My orders are to just leave the batch ebooks the way they are. It
> > really frustrates me to do that, but the PTBs have decided that it
> > is not worth the time and effort that it takes to fix the ebook
> > records that have
> wrong,
> > out-dated, or non-existent headings. The reasoning is tied to the
> > belief that all resources are keyword findable.
> I'll bet that the basis for the decision of the PTBs is somewhat
> undermined in:
> "Still a Lot to Lose: The Role of Controlled Vocabulary in Keyword
> Searching" (co-authored with Tina Gross and Daniel N. Joudrey). Cataloging
> & Classification Quarterly (2014): [in press] I have not yet read
> it, BTW.
> How do you keyword search some term if it isn't in the record, or is
> incorrectly spelled, or is mis-tagged and so not included in the
> keyword index? (Just a few issues that readily come to mind.) Daniel
> Daniel CannCasciato freelance cataloger PO Box 244 Ellensburg WA
> 98926 "Wearing the sensible shoes proudly since 1977"

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Daniel CannCasciato
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Hi All,

first, an apology to Arlene G. Taylor for mistakenly excluding her from the citation for the article: "Still a Lot to Lose: The Role of Controlled Vocabulary in Keyword Searching" (co-authored with Tina Gross and Daniel N. Joudrey). Cataloging & Classification Quarterly (2014): [in press]

Jeremy Goldstein wrote:

> We have largely accepted a similar policy of leaving the majority of e-book
> records that come into our system be. The vast quantity of them that we
> receive on a daily basis are simply too unmanageable to do otherwise.
> . . .
> As an example of supporting evidence, over the past 12 months, only ~12% of
> our Overdrive page views were referred by our catalog. Furthermore, doing
> some Google Analytics data diving of our catalog . . . the vast majority of Overdrive records were
> discovered via known title or author searches.

I understand that getting large batches of records without support in staffing is a difficulty. I used the same tactic in the past.

In response to those data (and Jeremy this is not a personal response. I don't know your thoughts on any of this.) a couple of things come to mind. First, is 12% the sort of number we are trying to achieve? (It's sort of akin to the Pareto distribution, to my mind ( AKA the "80-20 rule") - - it's descriptive, but should we consider it optimal?). In a time of information literacy advocacy, do we want patrons to focus on using author/title searches (a good strategy sometimes) when there are additional strategies they can and should employ to find other relevant resources? I also worry that those same data could be the basis for a decision to close catalog departments. I'm guessing it already has been used for that; I know it's been used to cut staffing.

If we do want patrons to employ differing strategies (I certainly do), then we have to provide the underlying data and functionality to make those strategies successful. As other Autocat-ers have written as well, it seems that in librarianship there's the discrepancy between an enthusiastic endorsement of "discovery tools" and the disconnect with providing an infrastructure that facilitates discovery.

As I wrote earlier, I used the rationale that there's simply too much data in the incoming files to be maintained (as well as a migratory quality to those records as some were added and deleted weekly). I also advocated publicly within the consortium at the time for better data from the vendor. I also tried for vendor-provided authority control. (Didn't get it.)

It's a quandry!

Daniel CannCasciato
freelance cataloger
PO Box 244
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Jerri Swinehart
2014-10-09 21:06:50 UTC
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My simple concern is that I cannot guarantee these records will either
display or be accessible in a reasonable fashion. My concern grows when I
look at the number of errors on these records (The Eighteenth Century
Collections Online). Some of which appear on the same record where the
correct form of entry appears. The cataloging is sloppy and inaccurate.

And I could probably ignore the errors, but my conscience won't let me
ignore them. Also, since when ought a library pay for sloppy and inaccurate
cataloging? Especially when many of the errors are as egregious as the ones
that are in these records?

Lastly, I'm concerned that if there isn't a line drawn on what constitutes
quality vendor records ... we may all receive records that are so bad that
our users will not be able to access the materials ... records that also do
not display correctly so as to let a user know he/she has found the
materials they want or need.

Thank you!

Jerri Swinehart
MLIS
Library Technician III
Metadata Technician
Oakland University
Kresge Library
Collections Support Services
Rochester, MI 48309-4484
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deb cady
2014-10-10 11:17:13 UTC
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I don't know the vendors discussed, but are the problems coming from records being outsourced overseas? I know from experience working on records sent to India for indexing that the quality in the subject analysis was utterly terrible. Sadly we didn't have time, manpower or QA processes to improve them so, even though we were selling our data to research libraries, the quality wasn't anywhere near what I would call acceptable as a researcher. I would not be surprised if the authority work was similarly poor.

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We have close to 40 active record sets and a fair number of completed ones that still sometimes need attention. Given that only 2.8 FTE of us work on this (and have many other responsibities) we can only address the most blatant errors when editing in MarcEdit:

--Non-unique 001's and/or 003+001 combinations within a record set and between record sets
--Numeric-only 001's or 035's which can lead to mistaken overlays in Voyager
--Inconsistent URLs or URLs that don't go to the right place. Long URLs that need a |z (or |3)
--MARC record structure errors such as incorrect headers, multiple 1XX or 245 fields, multiple |b's in 245's, etc.
--Missing data that will seriously affect retrieval in the catalog. Make an added entry for the set, usually 830.
--Change 440's to 490/8XX's because 440's are not in our Voyager series index
--Except as noted above, generally do not edit coded fields (00x, 0XX) or add notes, subject headings, or added entries

This seems to be sufficient for staff and users. Most users do keyword searches so authority control is less necessary. I believe they rely less on bibliographic descriptions and more a click-and-see approach. As mentioned previously, most searches are done through Google anyway, or though our discovery tool, Summon. As Summon improves its indexing the plan is to discontinue loading selected sets in the catalog. Other options include getting records OCLC WorldShare Metadata (no additional cost) or Serials Solutions ($$). Staff time is the most expensive part of the whole process and I am constantly alert as to ways to save time. I try to make decisions with an eye to the future. Why spend large sums of the library budget on record updates that will be of little or no consequence in a few years?

-- Sally Grucan

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We have largely accepted a similar policy of leaving the majority of e-book records that come into our system be. The vast quantity of them that we receive on a daily basis are simply too unmanageable to do otherwise. <snip>

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 07:47:52 -0700
> From: Daniel CannCasciato <dcc-cataloging-deqWdTs+***@public.gmane.org>
> Subject: Re: Vendor records redux

Hi All,
> Tina Gunther wrote:
> > My orders are to just leave the batch ebooks the way they are. It really frustrates me to do that, but the PTBs have decided that it is not worth the time and effort that it takes to fix the ebook records that have wrong, out-dated, or non-existent headings <snip>

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